Thank you Jack T Chance

This morning Jack T Chance posted the following on Replica Prop Forum:

"After thinking about my actions of the last few days, I've realized that I personally may have overreacted to the situation.

CT didn't HAVE to share this information with me via email the way he did, he CHOSE to do so. After reading his blog, it's become clear to me that he really HAS done a TON of research on this prop, and he comes across as someone that is really passionate about making the best possible recreation he can, to get this project right. He has shared information about the filming props on his blog that I certainly never knew, and has thus increased my own knowledge about this prop considerably. In that way, is he REALLY so different from the rest of us? I don't think so.

On the subject of aluminum vs. stainless steel, let us never forget that another VERY popular unlicensed prop maker, the infamous (and sorely missed) Larbel Plasma Blade, did, at times, offer his Star Wars Prequel Trilogy lightsabers in both aluminum and stainless steel! To be fair, at the time, I never saw the discussions here in regards to the stainless steel models. I wasn't a member here at the time they were made, so I have NO idea what the reaction to them was like. I only found out they existed years after he was shut down and "assimilated" by Master Replicas! But the stainless steel Obi-Wan saber I saw on eBay when someone decided to sell it a few years ago was GORGEOUS and I would LOVE to own one! I'll never be able to afford it at the prices it commands on the after market, but that's beside the point. The point being that the stainless steel model looked JUST AS GOOD, to ME, as the normal aluminum ones did. So I can totally understand CT's decision in that regard.

Celestial Toymaker, I said some unkind things towards you, and regardless of how you treated others on this forum, it was still wrong of me to say those things. While I still disagree with the way you chose to respond to the criticism you received, I do understand the strong emotion behind your words. A far wiser man than I once said "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." I foolishly let myself briefly forget that philosophy, which has been a guiding principle in my life. I believe that I owe you an apology. Whether or not you accept it is irrelevant. I believe that I owe it, so I am offering it to you.

I wish you well in your efforts to recreate these props. Your passion for creating the best possible recreation is now quite obvious to me, and I look forward to seeing the final product. I know it will be a beautiful prop.

Also, 2 last things: I have reworded my edit to my first post. And in hindsight, I realize that when I posted the Work In Progress pictures of the prototype sonic, I probably should have labeled them even more clearly as being Work In Progress pics. Doing so might have prevented some of the drama that has since gone on in this thread. That was my mistake, and I take responsibility for that. "

 

Thank you Mr Chance, apology accepted and I apologise likewise for my reaction.

 

To be honest, I've never had any problems with Jack T Chance. I've had cordial communications with him in the past and I've always considered him one of the good guys. Where our disagreement comes is in the field of customer (or in my case, people who would probably never be customers) relations. I accept that my attitude towards detractors has always been somewhat abrasive but if they have a point, I always listen and I will always be the first to point out a fault with my products. A point has been made over the past few days that is that constructive and valid criticism is different than sheer ignorant, unsubstantiated and malicious comments do not, and never will, constitute criticism. I am old fashioned in my approach to customer service in that it is decidely non-corporate. I will sell to whomever I choose and I do not brown nose the tiny but vocal Internet minority who feel entitled to a bit of sucking up. Owning certain prop replicas are a privilege, never a right, and the relationship between customer and vendor/make is a two way street. Paying money to someone does not buy the right to give the seller abuse or make slanderous comments about them. The same is even more true if you never even spend any money with them or intend to. Two way communication is key and whilst I disagree with Mr Chance's 'customer is alway right' approach, I do see how customer service is vital to a successful business. However, every business reserves the right to refuse to serve irritating customers/non-customers and that should never be forgotten.

 

It is funny that Mr Chance mentions Larbel. Larry Leung has been an inspiration to me for nearly a decade and his lightsabers were (and still are) the arguably the best ever produced and I feel honoured that I have owned several of his pieces and to know the man himself. His attention to detail and sensibilities directly influenced me when I first set about creating my replicas and if my pieces achieve even a small level of the fame that his lightsabers achieved, I feel I would have done my job.

 

 

 

 

Thoughts on MFX Replicas

I have been asked what my issues with MFX are and why I apparently hate them so much. I'm going to give a very short and condensed version of my feelings as I see them.

First off, I have no personal issues with MFX or the man behind it, Neill Gorton. He is a very talented and skilled make-up effects artist and his work has been pivotal to the success of the new Doctor Who. For that I applaud and admire him.

My issue, to a greater part, is down to the way in which the licence to produce certain prop replicas for the BBC has been awarded. I have always maintained I have been more than happy to pay the BBC a licence fee and produce my replicas officially and have indeed approached the BBC, through various intermediaries and agents, to request a licence to produce my replicas. Each and every time I tried I was met with a flat refusal. I was told licences for the items I wanted to produce were not going to be awarded and there were no plans to reconsider in the future. Basically, a 'no'. In fact, it couldn't haven't been more of a negative even if they tried. The BBC refused to even entertain a business proposal or even look at my prototypes.

Imagine my surprise when I find that shortly after my approach, the licences for the Sonic Screwdriver, Master's Ring, Laser Screwdriver and Chameleon Arch watch were awarded to MFX and Wesco. Even after I asked pointedly if these licences were up for grabs.

Basically I felt cheated and lied to. Why were these licences awarded to others? What made them more qualified than I to produce them? I thought licence applications were considered on merit and capability. Obviously not so.

It doesn't take a genius to suspect something funny was afoot. Indeed, deals appear to have been struck 'under-the-counter' circumventing established channels. MFX, to me, appear to have won the licence purely because of their existing relationship with the show. Think about it: they are a makeup effect company with NO experience producing props or prop replicas for the show. How did a company such as this managed to wangle such a coveted licence? Simple. They had inside help with possibly the production team 'putting in a good word' for them. That is disgusting considering there were far more qualified parties after that licence.

Let me fill you in on another interesting fact. In order to qualify for a merchandise licence you have to prove that you can build the product consistently and to the right quality standards in the quantities required. This usually meant building a dozen or so prototype units for examination. Mutant Moldings once applied for a licence to build full size new series Daleks and indeed had to mold and assemble 12 full size Daleks for examination by BBC Licensing to make sure that they were good enough. They weren't and they never got the licence. Codsteaks, who built the TARDIS CD cabinet, also had to go throught the exact same process. However the interesting thing is that this VITAL and ordinarily COMPULSORY stage was conveniently circumvented by MFX when 'applying' for the Sonic Screwdriver licence. It would not surprise me if Gorton only had the two engineering prototypes of the slider sonic and the single spring loaded one. This begs the question, how the fuck did they get the licence without first demonstrating they had the capability to produce these things when everyone else has to jump through hoops?

Answers on a post card please.....

Naked Mole Rat Apologises and Daniel 'Risu' Pawlik is still acting like a cunt

The following apology was posted on Replica Prop Forum this morning by Darren Adams aka Naked Mole Rat:

"To The Celestial Toymaker: I apologize. Having re-read my posts, I see that I came out of the box 'swinging' so to speak. I offered no constructive criticism, just criticism. My words were ill-spoken and impolite. The way you conduct your business is none of my business and I had no right to comment on it. You have been working on a project that many people want and will love. You rightly should be proud."

Apology accepted. That was very gracious of you to post such an apology and I also apologise for my reaction, however justified I felt it may have been.

It seems that some people are mature enough to admit their mistakes and I respect that. We all make mistakes and it just takes a little bit of thought and respect for others.

Now, if only others can be as mature about this as you....

....and if by magic young Daniel Pawlik aka 'Risu' (whose ugly retarded mug is pictured below) posted this:

"Personally I can't apologize for anything I've said. I haven't gotten too into it, but CT is a bully and should be labeled as such. I'm out, have fun with this one."

Why am I not surprised? This cheeky little fuckmunch has the barefaced gall to call me a BULLY? As often happens with bullies, when they finally come up against people who push back harder, they come over all indignant and offended. Just so I understand this correctly Pawlik, you COWARDLY and pointedly badmouth me on a closed board that I am not a member of, with no right of reply, and when confronted on your bullshit, you act like a fucking girl? Munson was right, you are a bully. Not only are you a bully, you are also a ugly dickless piece of shit with as much spine a well cooked piece of spaghetti. Why don't you grow some fucking balls and accept you are in the wrong, apologise and move on? If you can act like a man, you would stand by what you said, answer me directly and no whine about me calling you out. But somehow, I do not think that will ever happen.

Thanks

Big thank you to Mssrs Straker and Munson for actually bringing some perspective to the crap that Primrodo & Co have been spouting. Having posted the lunatic ramblings of Primrodo, let me quote some of the more measured, reasonable and intelligent writings just to prove that the Replica Prop Forum is not just a haven for fuckmunchers. Indeed, the place is generally full of nice, intelligent people of which these two are good examples. They express their opinions far more maturely than I ever could and I appreciate their support.

From Mr Straker:

"Thing is guys, I can still understand his outrage. First thing that happens when someone posts shots of a prototype that he even admits isn't complete and even points out the details on his own work that is wrong and he gets it picked apart. I can understand picking apart a production piece that is actually one of what you would get if you bought the item, but what's the point of picking apart something that's not even done yet in prototype form when he even points out the inaccuracies himself? Some of the earliest comments in this thread didn't even have anything to do with the prop.

As for him not disclosing how he got the filming prop. He wasn't supposed to have it, so why would he tell everyone how, when or where he got it?

I've been emailing CT for nearly two years now since he first posted the coming soon thingie, and I've not made any assumptions of his work. I did something that many people on this thread never did, and that was to be polite and just ask him.He'd even given me stage update photos as he was working and those were from before we even got to see the SDCC prototype pictures. I have information as to how, when or where he got the original prop. Will I disclose it? No. Why? Well, he asked me to keep it to myself for a start but also because at this point it would so nothing to alleviate the situation on this thread anyway. No, really, many people who would read it would only scoff at me anyway and not believe it. would you? It would only be a few pages more to this thread before everyone mutually agrees that it isn't true despite lack of proof otherwise.

I noticed his sites blog pages make some very interesting comments about the new MFX sonic screwdriver. I have to say that those details are very compelling in terms of MFX's inaccuracies. He also addresses many of the comments made about the sonic like about the stripe on the side and i have to agree there. just because he didn't show it doesn't mean it isn't there. Just because he chose to display it partially open doesn't mean it doesn't close either otherwise what would the point be to make a replica of something that is supposed to close? *shrugs*

It's funny though that I was accused of being a sales rep once just for saying that bashing the model that was holding the Masters ring has nothing to do with the quality of the prop. It seems that by just defending the guys work made myself a target early in this thread as if I should just assume he's lying right off because he doesn't have the license. Since when does that ever mean he could never get a hold of the filming prop and get a ton of measurements off it? Thing is, I may not agree with his choice of words he used to color his sentences that were directed at Primrodo or Naked Mole Rat, but I can't blame him for being pissed considering the feeding frenzy this thread created against him here. It would be like if I was making a replica of something, and i had managed to get perfect measurements off a screen used prop I was going to duplicate but decided to not tell you guys how because it could get me and maybe the person or persons that allowed me access to said prop in deep ****, so everyone here called me a liar and picked apart my prototype for inaccuracies even though it was exact to the filming prop I had access to and was better than maybe an official one. I think I would be pretty pissed too. Just saying.

 

Despite peoples assurances that his words will hurt his business, this is one prop collector that will be buying his sonic. I like Steel better, it's stronger, heavier and on top of that, he is actually doing sound and no, it's not taken from the CO toy sonic. His board is rectangular, CO's is round. I may post some shots and my own review of it some time here, but I somehow expect that a thread about his sonic will still be peppered by peoples dislike of his sonic for this reason or that. Disappointing really.

Regardless, this thread has really moved pretty far off topic of the prop to the guys personal comments and a war between members here and CT and it really should be deleted."

 

 

 

And from Mr MattMunson:

 

"Gotta say, I'm kinda with Straker on this one. I mean, you guys on the RPF ARE sort of acting like a bunch of entitled cry babies. I mean, you tear this guys work apart before knowing anything about it, tell him his stuff is crap, and then you cry foul when he calls you on it. What did you expect? For him to come here and beg for your forgiveness for not doing it your way?? CST saw a bunch of online bullies trying to push him around, and he did what many parents tell their kids to do in such a situation: he pushed back.

He also makes an EXCELLENT point: none of you guys were going to buy the thing anyway. Check out the other thread. The one that lasted for a year or more? How many people in that thread were SALIVATING over the sonic, but ultimately chose not to buy one when the opportunity presented itself.

I think another thing to keep in mind is a comment that Steve D made on the RPF a while ago during one of his MR tell-alls. He said that out of a room full of hundreds of people he spoke to, only five or six posted on any of the LOUDLY complaining online forums. So of the two or three people on the RPF who have sworn to never purchase a thing from CTS, they are just a tiny fraction of the people who will be interested in this product.

The thing that truly sickens me, as a long standing member of this community, is how the age old axiom of "license infringing is wrong, until someone infringes on something I want to purchase for cheap" proves to be true time and time again. If there was ONE card anyone could have credibly played in this thread, it would be to cry foul over CTS producing sonics without a license. But no. Instead, people got upset because the lower cost item was not what they hoped it would be, and they didn't recieve the obligatory butt smooching from the vendor that they felt entitled too. Honestly folks, it's customers like you that make being in business un-fun.

My vote is that you keep in mind that your wallet speaks with a much louder voice than your keyboard. And besides that, you just make yourself look like a whiny baby when you post online rants.

See the irony?

I urge Primrodo & Co to read these two posts above and consider their past behaviour as if they hadn't acted like the wankers they have done, I would be sitting here, drinking tea and working on getting these screwdrivers out of the door.

Karsten chimes in

Karsten has just posted the following on the Replica Prop Forum:

"Ok. I guess I need to chime in here. I hadn't read through this thread in some time due to..well its really really long, but I had some time so I started to get caught up. I tend to not say anything when flame wars, or negative posts start as I honestly find it a waste of time and energy, I have enough real life drama that I deal with I don't need manufactured prop drama, its my hobby I find it fun end of story. So let me get some facts straight here.

1) I own the CO toy prototype measured 1:1 from the Eccelston sonic, there are some details that mine has the the actual prop does not as its a toy prototype, mainly some details at the base near the black cap. Measurements were taken by CO from a production Sonic, 4 replicas were then produced, 1) for the BBC, 2) for other parties who shall remain nameless and 1) for myself. The BBC one was stolen from the Cardiff Muesum some time ago where it had been on display.

2) I have never owned, touched, held the actual prop, nor ever claimed to in previous threads would I have liked to hell yes..but I have not, just the CO proto Sonic.

3) I will and have provided any information regarding measurements to any who have asked for it. Gladly, mainly due to experiences I had early on with individuals who had knowledge on props of interest who would not share, I vowed I would not be one of those, that is just me and I only speak for me.

I have no real constructive nor negative comments in regards to CT's claims. As I said earlier it is negative energy better spent in the Gym. Should anyone ever want to take more accurate measurements from what I have, feel free to come on up to Vermont I'll give you full access. I have been very lucky to have made some pretty good contacts in the Doctor Who world I call many of them my friends and have reaped some pretty special gifts from it and have been able to pass along some to others as well. Not sure what to say beyond that, people are going to do what they are going to do CT included, save your time, and energy Justin you said your piece with him thats all you can do, time to let it go. I know its not easy, trust me of all people, I know. MFX has a great product with bugs, wow imagine that, that never happens (that was scarcasm :P) I am confident that Neill and MFX will do everything to ensure everyone is statisfied, he strikes me as someone who cares about his customers and loyal fans. Well I think I rambled a bit at the end but I believe I made my point."

 

Firstly, I don't know Karsten, never had any contact with him and none of my work is derived from or influenced by anything he has posted. The above confirms it.

 

However, his post is confirmation of the bullshit and misinformation (and downright slander) that I have stated all along Justin Monk has been spouting about me. In many ways, this has made him look even more of a strokemaster.  Let's look at one of the things he wrote here:

"They also say the orginal was resin, which is wrong, just from the pictures of the one karstva handled."

Not wrong. Documented, undisputed, axiomatic FACT, you stupid fucking cretin. As Karsten confirmed above. Yet another Primrodo fantasy. What is even more disturbing is that the pics of Karsten holding his CO Prototype clearly show it is made from PLASTIC. Primrodo has just demonstrated in SPECTACULAR fashion that he cannot tell the difference between metal and plastic. How the fuck he thinks he can tell the difference between stainless steel and aluminium is anyone's guess but some people's observational stupidity and overestimation of their own observational skills are just limitless I guess.
 

I would like to thank Karsten for posting this and apologise if anything I wrote caused him any offense. I have no beef with you, you seem like a nice peace loving guy and I am sorry your name was dragged into it by morons who should have checked their facts first.

 

Justin, are you reading this? I'm still waiting on my apology and retraction of your lies.

The Most Vigorous Right Hand In Dr Who Fandom - Nominee 1: Primrodo/Justin Monk

There is a denizen of the online Doctor Who community called Justin Monk. He lives in Trenton, Canada and goes by the online pseudonym 'Primrodo' (what the fuck is a Primrodo?). He is also vying with a character called Darren Adams for the title "Most vigorous right hand in Doctor Who fandom". More about Adams aka 'Naked Mole Rat' and 'The 13th Doctor' later.

Where do I start with this fucknut? Well, this boy has displayed levels of stupidity, illiteracy and sheer two faced bum-hole licking toadiness the depths of which no human being has dared plumb before.

He regularly posts on several Doctor Who forums as well as the Replica Prop Forum where he regularly masturbates himself in his all-so-superior knowledge of all things to with Doctor Who costumes and props. (To give you an example what a prick he is, he regularly goons around in his rather lame and utterly inaccurate 10th Doctor costume frowning at cameras). He is condescending, smug and dismissive and considers himself an authority on 'screen accuracy'. The truth is, he wouldn't know screen accurate if it danced the hornpipe on his rather large acromegalic chin.

An example of this is his so called 'knowledge' about the sonic screwdriver. He seems to think he knows more about this screwdriver than anyone. Not so. That honour falls to me and a handful of other people.

When I announced I would be making this sonic screwdriver he immediately started scoffing saying that it couldn't possibly be accurate etc etc, yada yada. He had a go at my other props including my Master's Ring and my Chameleon Arch watch (which incidentally IS the correct size and is about 95%+ accurate to the filming prop). But I will let that slide. What I can't forgive is the fact that since MFX got the license to make the authorised replica, he's practically moved into Neill Gorton's anus and been displaying levels of hypocrisy, ignorance, snideness and downright offensiveness towards me and my product.

Let me give you some choice examples of this moosefucker's ignorance (my replies in red):

"according to their site of $305US its only a nominal savings for the offically licenced version."

Well actually, buddy, that isn't true and you know it. Let's see....

The official version costs £219 + VAT bringing the price to £251.85

Shipping then costs £43.92 (or as much as £63.25 to Australia).

This brings the total price to £295.77.

This is without customs and import duties and courier administration/clearance fees. I highly doubt that they will ship the item as a gift with a lower monetary value.

Our version costs as little as £175 on pre-order and £200 on release.

We charge a flat rate of £15 shipping anywhere in the world meaning you can have your item for as little as £190 shipped.

We will also ship the item as a gift with a minimal monetary value meaning you will pay no taxes or duties.

The upshot? You save a minimum of £105/$180! This is provided that you don't get charged import duties and the chances of that happening are slim to none. And slim just left town.

This is hardly a 'nominal' saving, right Justin? How much did you pay again.....?

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".... Their FAQ's and information are interesting though.

"We had an original prop, cannot say how we did though" ? Look Justin, do you really, honestly think I would tell the world how I got hold of an original prop? Especially as I wasn't supposed to have it in the first place. Use that fucking brain, you numbnut.

They also say the orginal was resin, which is wrong, just from the pictures of the one karstva handled. Well yes, the original prop was resin, apart from the head. Not wrong. Documented, undisputed, axiomatic FACT, you stupid fucking cretin. Karsten has never handled an original prop. ASK HIM. He has one of the Character Options toy prototypes that is not 1:1. Not even remotely. It was made from concept art.

EDIT: Karsten has since weighed in to confirm he has neither owned nor handled the filming prop. READ HERE. Yet another Primrodo fantasy. What is even more disturbing is that the pics of Karsten holding his CO Prototype clearly show it is made from PLASTIC. Primrodo has just demonstrated in SPECTACULAR fashion that he cannot tell the difference between metal and plastic. How the fuck he thinks he can tell the difference between stainless steel and aluminium is anyone's guess but some people's observational stupidity and overestimation of their own observational skills are just limitless I guess.

Then to top it off they say they are using more expensive materials, that are inaccurate, just to make it "better" Which is an opinion, especially comparing Stainless with Aluminum. "

Stainless steel is better. It's harder, heavier, easier to paint and more durable than aluminium will ever be. Can you tell the difference cosmetically from aluminium and stainless?

Bet you one of my sonic screwdrivers you can't.

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"HAHA Pantone shade? Who uses Pantones for acrylic?? Er....everyone does actually. It's the standard colour reference system.

Risu, the Eccelston slider does not look like that no, it was an idealization to fit their needs for a slider mechanism, so they opted for the Tennant version, while keeping the button the same as the pictures Kasten posted awhile back. Look at my previous blog and the pic of one of the Season 1 static props. Look vaguely familiar....hmmmmmm?

No closed pictures though? Can you not see it can close? Why would I make something that wouldn't close? Do I ask you to show a picture of your cock to prove you have one?

EDIT: Apparently Pantone has expanded to other areas like paint and plastic....but still! But still, what?"

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"Exactly my reason for not jumping to get one. Their business ethic by bashing the licence holder also turned me off. So my business ethic turns you off does it? I can bash who I want. Everyone knows the only reason MFX got the gig is because of favouritism. Why should it turn you off? You're not MFX so why should you care?

 Its a nice enough replica, I still see things off here and there, Where? Name something that hasn't already been pointed out by me already. That's because you can't, you twat.

but the nice thing is that MFX's will be so accurate that there will be no question. Still feel that way Justin? Guess your bum licking didn't work did it? MFX are a makeup effects company with jumped up ideas above there station. They are not propmakers and it shows. They can't even copy a Sonic Screwdriver."

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"The watches are nice, but undersized and inaccurate too. Oh really? I guess you have measured the prop then, have you? More of the idealization there...and tooted to be the best ever. No idealisation here...and I don't see a better more accurate replica available, do you? He has some screencaps of his side by side and for the price, it should be alot closer. They are practically identical! Are you blind as well as stupid?

I do not know why MFX has done nothing yet..maybe they are waiting till he atually sells them? Maybe because in China I'm doing nothing illegal? Either way the disrespect hes shown a product not released yet with his which is a whopping 19 pounds cheaper...(when not not sale). I think we've safely established that it's actually nearer $180 cheaper but why should that little inaccuracy bother you? I hope the BBC comes down HARD. Yawn."

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"Things like the sonic closing, and having the groove are important prop details, just as important as having the right shroud on a Darth Vader lightsaber. By talking down to us about noticing a missing detail on a prop replica, I have to ask...why are you HERE? What missing detail? Just because I don't show it doesn't mean it isn't there. In the same vein, just because you don't show that you use your brain, doesn't mean you don't have one. Or does it?

There are problems with the CT Sonic. Its a nice fan replica, but to have it "sold out" for years, only to appear when the licence holder is bringing theirs out is ridiculous. There are details off, for the claims they are making and for the price they are asking. They have made changes to to accuracy, while retaining that its better because they think so. I'M DIRECTLY CHALLENGING YOU JUSTIN. WHAT DETAILS ARE OFF? Mine is accurate to the Season 1-2 prop. I can prove it is. Can you prove it isn't? Again, you think you are an authority. You know JACK SHIT.

The argument for aluminum and stainless is a matter of opinion. I had a custom Anakin ROTS saber based off the C3 displayed lightsaber...I had it done in aluminum. Why? Because thats what the real prop was! Does it scratch, yes, but I wear it on a belt in costume. But there are no gouges, dents or anything! slight easily buffed out hairline scratches...not big deals there. The sonic is smaller and light weight, and the real one is aluminum...I'd want no substitue myself. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference visually. GUARANTEED.

Things being better simply because your point of view says so is not not really an argument for a mass produced item. You may like the CT Sonic, and thats fine. Some of us do not. You fucking love my sonic and you know it. The only reason you are saying this is again, you are sucking up to MFX. Two faced prick that you are.

I personally do not like the attitude presented while slapping the license holder in the face. Really? That is too funny. Considering you planned to buy an MFX then replicate it and sell it cheaper. At least I am honest in my business. You are no worse than SCUM for displaying the hypocrisy you are doing. I have PROOF of your plans and will be posting this unless you apologize publicly for being such an utter knobend. My custom Anakin lightsaber is unique, its great and its lighter than MR's. Is it better? Nope, but its different in many aspects. By advertising that his fan made replica is superior to the prop house that has the real one in their hands takes alot of gall. MFX are not a prop house. They are a Makeup effects and prosthetics company. They have never made props until now. Despite his claims you can tell his recent discoveries came from Karsten's pictures and measurements. Oh really? What 'discoveries' would these be, huh? Why would I want those when they are inaccurate? Karsten owns an inaccurate platic toy prototype. His measurements and pictures are worth shit. There are several people that know these props inside and out and know this guy is talking out of his rear. Oh really? And you're one of these people are you? Prick. When customers take delivery of my sonic they will realise it is perfect to the 0.01mm. Then we will see who is talking out of their rear, right Primrodo?

I eagerly await my MFX screwdriver. It will be the most accurate, true to screen of a prop seen close up and often...and was brilliantly made (to think the prop makers did a bad job on the prop, you evidently have not seen the latest few props in the series). This prop will be exact and wil be Fantastic. Still feel that way? Especially after I've proven how inaccurate it is?

Sure, it will lack sound...but thats what time is for and I am sure some genius will figure that one out...Hyperdyne, I am sure would get that right figured. I've figured it out. Does that make me a genius?

CT's sonic will be interesting to see, but I will not be buying it. But that will not stop me from examining it. In your dreams, asswipe."

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"Well the same guys making the final product are the ones that made the prototypes for the main run. The paint job wasn't all the off since they were used in the series at the send of series 4 Really? Then how come the production versions differ so much from the prototypes (which were perfect)?

There maybe some over generalization going on for CT's product but the facts are simple.

-Idealized product. Let me quote you something from MFX's literature that came with their sonic screwdriver - "We have made some minor tweaks to try and make various joints and fixings more robust but without changing the fundamental nature of this prop" Sounds like they have also tried to idealize their product, same as what I've done. Except I've kept all the changes internal and to make the prop better overall in terms of build quality. So it's ok for MFX to do it and not for me? Sounds like double standards to me and more sucking up to MFX.

-Not accurate details. Really? Like you would know. You keep going on about this but never provide details when asked. Ok, what is inaccurate about my Sonic? I'm waiting.....

-Not enough detail shown (ie closed and blue stripe) This You Tube video shut you up didn't it? http://www.youtube.com/user/celestialtoystore#p/a/u/2/vpTAudaTcug

-Pompous attitude. The words POT, KETTLE and BLACK spring to mind.

However dissing a members right to critique a product on a Replica Prop Forum is also a huge turn off for me. I am here and a member here to pick apart props, learn somethings new and collect awesome pieces.  And slagging off someone just because they point out to you that your comments are unfounded, speculative and totally uncalled for is fair ?

I imagine someone will get both props and have a side-by-side comparison.It isn't going to be you, boy. I'll save you the trouble and post a side by side comparison myself"

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"my main beef with the CT Sonic is the stainless steel, as I said before. Aluminium is a fine material, stainless changes the look considerable as it gives a more grey cast. Really? How ignorant and ill informed you are. I'll bet you one of my sonic screwdrivers AND will streak across Tianamen Square if you can tell the difference visually between stainless steel and aluminium.

But I am one person not entirely happy with his sonic and watch...but I am a [Fuck]nut, and after years and years of research discussions and meetings with everyone from basement machinists to high end companies...MFX is doing exactly what I tried to for a fraction of the cost...so I am happy. Good for you. Still happy Justin? "

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"Flame War? Because some of us do not like a companies certain stance on their product or a current licensee? So what precisely don't you like about my stance on my product? Just because I am proud of my product and despite being 10000 miles away from Cardiff, I can still procure a screen used prop and copy it to within 0.01mm? Is it resentment, jealousy or the sheer fact that I have more knowledge than you? Or maybe you're just resentful I possess a bigger penis? Until this point, what precisely have I done to warrant your dislike of me?

We can bash and make fun of Hasbro and Rubies, but we can not speculate and discuss a product offered by someone with claims that are even getting larger? Now he is one of three people that know more about the sonic than those of us here? I GUARANTEE that I know more about the sonic screwdriver than anyone on your poxy board. I have spent several years of my life blueprinting this thing to within fractions of a millimetre. Can you or your buddies say the same? If not, then fuck off. If you did, you would have made it by now.  Karsten also handled the Eccelston screwdriver, hense those pictures posted in this thread, he knows his stuff too... Karsten knows shit. He has not handled the Eccleston prop. Since when did he say that? His pics are of his CO toy prototype. and how about Neill from MFX who works directly with the BBC? Neill is a makeup artist. If he knew as much as you think he did, why is his replica so inaccurate? Answer me that, dick head. The Eccelston sonics were used quite a bit during Tennants tenure. I know. It is one of those from Season 2 that I am replicating.

I am sorry but saying he knows more than anyone is LAUGHABLE. So's your face. Let's see who has the last laugh, shall we?

The only real flaming going on is the attacks against us who disagree with CT's stance and attitude. Thats what is getting old... why you are offended by us critiquing an offered product is beyond me. Its not yours, but its being sold to the public. Noone was attacking you. They were telling you and your bum buddy Darren Adams (Naked Mole Rat) to chill out with your unreasonable and unfounded attacks on me and my products.

Seriously here. I have been on this forum for a long time. If you cannot take a criticism for a product you enjoy, that you are not making...then you are in the WRONG place. How about the fact that CT has been trolling the thread and making direct references to the things said here on his FAQ? That is far more flame-worthy than the comments a few of us have made here. So it's ok for you to badmouth me, make spurious speculations and claims behind my back, without a right of reply? Well, fuck you, if you had conducted yourself like a decent human being without resorting to personal and indirect attacks on me and my products, we wouldn't be here at this moment in time and space would we? Ask yourself that question, Justin.

MR takes FAR more lambasting for their products for the SAME claims and the SAME attitude. But just because you like the product, does not make it right. And it's OK for you to diss me and my products off because you just take a personal dislike to me?

Heck, I am surprised that the mods have not locked this thread earlier as the License holder is on this forum supporting their product and we have this blatant disregard for them because their price is a whopping 19 pounds more than CT. (Forget the sale price, which is a marketing ploy). I think we've worked out it's a lot more than £19, right Justin? You math is as retarded as your ability to form an argument.

Far as I know I am allowed to speak my opinions, thoughts and passion on a forum designed and built for the very purpose OF nitpicking props, replicas and costumes. And I have just as much right to tell you what an utter fuckmeister you are.

If you want to continue to berate those of us with an opposing opinion, without reading a rebuttal, then find ANOTHER forum. What spectacular hypocrisy. Are you not the one berating others who have pointed out how unfounded, malicious and downright unreasonable your hatred of me is?

I for one am here to discuss, not to flame. Here to nitpick details, not take flak for doing so on a forum made for that. Here to learn, not be told that I am being negative because I disagree. Then nitpick then. You haven't discussed a SINGLE detail of my product nor pointed out where the inaccuracies are.

It would be way different if no licenser was making sonics, and if someone was offering them without sounding like whiny child saying they know more than you, and that we are foolish because they like to pose their photos a certain way without actually saying "here you go". Is that the kind of reassurance you want? "It does it, trust me!" Didn't MFX say similar about the screen accuracy of their sonic? You trusted them,  now look,  you have an unreliable, inaccurate piece of crap. I hope you fucking choke on it.

Sorry, I have seen MFX's details, side, closed and lit up. They showed the details people want to see...and if CT responds by saying that he's got more pictures displayed than MFX (Wowee!) but not the ones we want to see (Like MFX's single photo). Sorry. Not winning any points there either. I have seen plenty of Sonic attempts that the teeth do not connect, so it does not close. I think I've well and truly shut you up on that score.

These are valid opinions and concerns, from someone who values the props, the show and the people behind it. Yeah, which is why you were/are planning to replicate the MFX sonic and sell it. Great way of showing you value the people behind the show and the props"

 

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So there you have it...Primrodo showing the world what a first class, two faced, 24 carat wanker he is. The reason he hates me is becuase he has tried for years to make a metal sonic screwdriver but had neither the talent, information or the intelligence to make it happen. It galls him that someone out there has detailed blueprints and dims of an actual filming prop and knows more about the prop than him or his retard buddies. To make himself feel better about it he has to belittle, criticise and attack me and my product yet has offered not a single sliver of information as to why it is inaccurate, even when challenged. He therefore resorts to baseless attacking  of my character and business ethics whilst trying to ingratiate himself upon MFX yet I have PROOF he has planned and is planning still to produce an unlicensed copy of the MFX sonic. I would call Primrodo a cunt but I shall refrain. He has neither the depth or the warmth.

 

Look at this....

I have been criticised for 'idealising' or cleaning up my Season 1-2 sonic screwdriver. Amongst the criticisms is that it is not screen accurate because I have used a narrower slider and a bigger slider button.

Well, actually, it is screen accurate, more than my detractors will realise. I have used the button on a closed static prop and combined it with the narrower slider channel seen in Season 2. This is screen accurate.

Look at a BBC production notes pic of one of the static closed props from season 1:

Does the button look familiar? Oh, it looks like mine. Fancy that!

In fact, make it a sliding prop with a narrow channel and this will be identical to my Season 1-2 replica. In fact, a sliding prop version of this, with narrow slider channel just like mine, was used during Season 2.

I hope the cretins who scoffed at me for producing my cleaned up replica choke on the crow they will have to eat.